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Lhim · Jun 04, 2010, 08:50 AM // 08:50

I'd sign if you have to max, say, 20 titles before having access to other titles from other characters.

I'd also just sign for all the people that feel their GWAMMs get devalued because of this. You guys can have a cookie...

Gill Halendt · Jun 04, 2010, 10:05 AM // 10:05

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

Now instead 31 titles , my ranger would have 33 ( with Ldoa on W and Survivor on Mes ) so i dont really give a s*** but those with chars with 28 titles for example will GET GWAMM FASTER "for free" , understood ?

People would still need to get 30 different titles to get GWAMM, this "free GWAMM" is the actual nonsense here.

I assume you got LDoA on your Warrior and Survivor on your Mesmer "for free", as you consider the difference between 31 and 33 titles on your character as a "free bonus"...

People need to either be open to some adjustment like this or quit complaining about grinding: you can't have the cake and eat it.

I have a GWAMM character and I'm fine with it as it is, I don't regret a single second spent playing it, and I did it because I felt like doing it, but choice is rarely a bad thing: I would have loved not having to grind the Kurzick title and getting some more involving title instead, but I couldn't, since my main had no access to neither Survivor nor LDoA, and other account-wide titles were a pain to complete. Alternatives, no free bonuses.

I wouldn't feel my GWAMM devalued for people being given more choice and more freedom to approach it.

Tenebrae · Jun 04, 2010, 10:22 AM // 10:22

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

People would still need to get 30 different titles to get GWAMM, this "free GWAMM" is the actual nonsense here.

No dude no , hell no. How come you fail to see that.
Basic Equations
GWAMM = 30 Max titles on a CHARACTER
PLAYER =\= CHARACTER

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

I assume you got LDoA on your Warrior and Survivor on your Mesmer "for free", as you consider the difference between 31 and 33 titles on your character as a "free bonus"...

Misreading and Misunderstanding ? yes you are.
If you dont see NON wide-account titles achieved on a diff char as a bonus to another char is just plain simple , you dont know maths. Did the ranger achieved Ldoa ? or survivor ? NO . Then that char gets 2 titles for free , without " " . No one is saying that those titles are free lol , im just saying that they would ADD for free to a char that didnt achieve them. Holy christ , is it so hard to understand ?

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

People need to either be open to some adjustment like this or quit complaining about grinding: you can't have the cake and eat it.

Idk what are you talking about. Adjustments and changes gotta have a valid reason and "i want my titles faster" ( in this case , GWAMM ) is not valid.

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

I wouldn't feel my GWAMM devalued for people being given more choice and more freedom to approach it.

Dude , they ADD to HoM atm , so why the reason to add them to a char that didnt achieve them ? , im not going to repeat it once again. You are mistaking choice and freedom with free bonuses to ppl that achieved exclusive titles.
Now someone that has Ldoa and survivor only needs 28 titles on a new char to achieve GWAMM , wich always has been 30 titles on a SINGLE char. That is not devaluating old players GWAMM, that is devaluating the GWAMM title itself , in all its aspects. Wide Account titles are what they are for a reason and this suggestion makes no sense.

PD: An Assassin with Ldoa , i mean , really ?

Aljasha · Jun 04, 2010, 10:33 AM // 10:33

You don't need GWAMM on every character, because you are able to link your GW accounts, thus getting rewards for any achievements unlocked on all toons. Other than that, I don't see why someone could aim for multiple GWAMMs.

Mintha Syl · Jun 04, 2010, 10:46 AM // 10:46

I just wanty to say one thing, in defense of the OP, since I see many people are misunderstanding what he said. He doesn't want something like: "you do everything on a char than you have a lot of free GWAMMs" or a way to make it fastest and easier. If you do all the titles with different chars, it takes you the same time and the same effort. It's something like: one char does guardian, another one does vanquishing, than another does master of the north etc. Poor exapmle I know, but that's to say it's a way to make you play many many chars instead of devolving all your time on one cause you want gwamm. And cince anet said they didn't want people to play a char only...and, as I see it, in this proposal, you would only have the title if you really had a part in it, so nothing free.
Again, I'm not signing it because I still think it would be a different title than the one it's meant to be, so no sense in changing. But i totally understand and support the OP's point of vew. It's just it would be a different title, so in case it should have been like that from the beginning.

dancing gnome · Jun 04, 2010, 12:29 PM // 12:29

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Originally Posted by Mintha Syl

Since as far as I know GWAMM gives no benefit other than showing off, apart from HoM which you can already set account-wise I really see no reason to make it account-wide.

I understand you're suggesting it so that people doesn't focus on a single char, but to me it looks like making it for account changes its meaning. I see it as "this char has done really a lot of things" not as "as a player I did a lot of things so even my newly borned pre-searing chars can have it/contribute to it".

I think the point was someone who has 35 unique maxed titles across 8 characters doesn't have the same recognition that a player who has 35 unique titles on the one character. Both players had to achieve the exact same things, just 1 player did them on one character while the other player prefers a more versatile play style and is punished for playing more than one character.

The point is not that a player can't show it off, a player can't get it unless they play one toon. The accomplishments and effort are the same but the player can't get the max title for GW2 recognition and they also can't get a rainbow phoenix even though they've done the same thing.

/signed

Gill Halendt · Jun 04, 2010, 12:34 PM // 12:34

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

PD: An Assassin with Ldoa , i mean , really ?

This proves you're yet to understood the suggestion.

- Each character will retain his/her own achievements. So with an account-wide GWAMM you won't end up having an Assassin with LDoA, because if you have that in your account, you obviously have it on another (tyrian) character.

- This suggestion is barely cosmetic, individual titles won't be made account-wide, just the KoaBD title-track. You're just not forced to pick one title-hunter to get al 30 titles with him/her anymore.

- What's being suggested here is the KoaBD title-track to behave like the account-wide HoM. Instead of having multiple KoaBD title-tracks for each character, you just have one for the whole account.

Sure, someone with 29 titles today and LS on another character would automatically get GWAMM. How's that a problem? Why does he/she waste his time grinding an allegiance title (or both) or getting drunk in his/her guild hall? I did it and don't regret it, but still, offering alternatives (expecially alternatives to pointless grinding) is good to me.

Not gonna happen off course. If only KoaBD was designed like that since the start...

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Originally Posted by dancing gnome

I think the point was someone who has 35 unique maxed titles across 8 characters doesn't have the same recognition that a player who has 35 unique titles on the one character. Both players had to achieve the exact same things, just 1 player did them on one character while the other player prefers a more versatile play style and is punished for playing more than one character.

The point is not that a player can't show it off, a player can't get it unless they play one toon. The accomplishments and effort are the same but the player can't get the max title for GW2 recognition and they also can't get a rainbow phoenix even though they've done the same thing.

/signed

Couldn't have said better myself.

Mintha Syl · Jun 04, 2010, 01:33 PM // 13:33

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Originally Posted by dancing gnome

I think the point was someone who has 35 unique maxed titles across 8 characters doesn't have the same recognition that a player who has 35 unique titles on the one character. Both players had to achieve the exact same things, just 1 player did them on one character while the other player prefers a more versatile play style and is punished for playing more than one character.

The point is not that a player can't show it off, a player can't get it unless they play one toon. The accomplishments and effort are the same but the player can't get the max title for GW2 recognition and they also can't get a rainbow phoenix even though they've done the same thing.

/signed

Since you're answering to my first post to make your point, please take the time to read my second one. Not too hard since it's just upon yours.

**cosyfiep** · Jun 04, 2010, 01:41 PM // 13:41

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Originally Posted by Gennadios

How so? Did you actually take the time to read what I wrote? If you can max different titles on different characters and still have that work translate into GWAMM, how would that discourage a player?

Unless you've been grinding GWAMM characters b/c there's nothing left to do, most players will only see a benefit.

I LIKE working on goals---titles are goals, giving my brand new level 1 all the titles is BORING and not how I play the game. I find it fun to do all the missions to get protector and guardian....with this you would be giving that to me even before my character has its first weapon!!

Giving out gwamm as account wide basically says you dont need to do anything else but stand in spammdan all day long selling junk. Not my style of PLAYING the game.

still NOT signed

Mintha Syl · Jun 04, 2010, 01:49 PM // 13:49

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep

with this you would be giving that to me even before my character has its first weapon!!

Untrue, it wouldn't give you any title you don't have acquired on that char.

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Originally Posted by cosyfiep

basically says you dont need to do anything else but stand in spammdan all day long selling junk. Not my style of PLAYING the game.

as above. you still would have to do all the titles on each char, if you want to, as you wouldn't have them. nobody's talking about making all titles account wise, it would really be non-sense

Shriketalon · Jun 04, 2010, 02:42 PM // 14:42

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

If you dont see NON wide-account titles achieved on a diff char as a bonus to another char is just plain simple , you dont know maths. Did the ranger achieved Ldoa ? or survivor ? NO . Then that char gets 2 titles for free , without " " . No one is saying that those titles are free lol , im just saying that they would ADD for free to a char that didnt achieve them. Holy christ , is it so hard to understand ?

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Originally Posted by Tenebrae

for free

You keep using those words...

Player 1 spends X amount of hours gaining Unique Title A.
Player 2 spends X amount of hours gaining Unique Title A.
Equal time spent.

Player 1 gained the title with his main character who is pursuing GWAMM.
Player 2 gained the title on a second character.

Player 1's effort contributes to the max title track. Player 2's effort does not.

Under this suggestion, both players who put in equal amounts of work would see equal benefit, one more ping to the KOABD title track. No one is getting anything "for free". Both work. Both gain the title. Both have it represented on their overall title track.

Shadowmoon · Jun 04, 2010, 03:28 PM // 15:28

/sign
and add rank 7, 35 is easily obtainable with all the time that has pasted. GWAMM is almost 3 years old, want to add life to the game, added a 7th tier which requires you to max 35 of the 37 titles, excluding zaishen/pvp.

-Vodka- · Jun 04, 2010, 04:42 PM // 16:42

Lots of people are still misunderstanding OP.. He is suggesting that not *all* maxed titles will be made account-wide, just the KoaBD title track if the culmination of maxed titles across ALL of a player's characters amounts to the required number for a tier.

E.g. Player has 5 characters. Each of those characters has one different title maxed. All characters have access to "Kind of a big deal".

Thats how I'm reading it. If I've read it wrong then just laugh at me instead.

ChromisElda · Jun 04, 2010, 04:55 PM // 16:55

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Originally Posted by -Vodka-

Lots of people are still misunderstanding OP.. He is suggesting that not *all* maxed titles will be made account-wide, just the KoaBD title track if the culmination of maxed titles across ALL of a player's characters amounts to the required number for a tier.

E.g. Player has 5 characters. Each of those characters has one different title maxed. All characters have access to "Kind of a big deal".

Thats how I'm reading it. If I've read it wrong then just laugh at me instead.

That's how I read it too.

Sounds like a good way to make people play more than just one character. I'd love to explore tyria with just my proph char, elona with my nf char and so on. Right now it's turned into: buy nf, play it with my proph char because the other one won't add anything. That's BORING and extremely repetitive.

signed.

Schnellburg · Jun 04, 2010, 05:45 PM // 17:45

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Originally Posted by -Vodka-

Lots of people are still misunderstanding OP.. He is suggesting that not *all* maxed titles will be made account-wide, just the KoaBD title track if the culmination of maxed titles across ALL of a player's characters amounts to the required number for a tier.

E.g. Player has 5 characters. Each of those characters has one different title maxed. All characters have access to "Kind of a big deal".

Thats how I'm reading it. If I've read it wrong then just laugh at me instead.

It's still a fairly stupid idea to be honest. If you want GWAMM on a character, then get GWAMM on that character. Anet is not punishing anyone for you having to grind out the titles on each character.

In your theory, since my GWAMM is my paragon, will my title still say God Walking Among Mere Mortals (6) or will it stay "Real" God Walking Among Mere Mortals? Cmon get serious, it is a character specific title. Just because you have GWAMM on 1 char, which a good chunk of the gamers do, doesn't mean you need to broadcast it to the world. Plus it gives groups you join a false sense of your experience on that character.

I could broadcast I had GWAMM on my warrior, which I have no clue how to play, and people would perceive that I know how to play warrior decently since I have GWAMM. But it would be a "Fake" GWAMM.

How would you be able to tell the difference between a real GWAMM and this false GWAMM. I'm still staying with /no because I would only want to display that title on characters that I have earned it on. Yes earned, not because I got it on 1 guy, I can display it on all guys. That is just stupid. /end rant.

Mintha Syl · Jun 04, 2010, 06:01 PM // 18:01

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Originally Posted by Schnellburg

How would you be able to tell the difference between a real GWAMM and this false GWAMM. I'm still staying with /no because I would only want to display that title on characters that I have earned it on. Yes earned, not because I got it on 1 guy, I can display it on all guys. That is just stupid. /end rant.

Why people doens't understand? Really? Billion people tryin to explain it's not like that and people (like you) still hold the same misunderstandood point. Ok I give up.

dancing gnome · Jun 04, 2010, 06:05 PM // 18:05

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Originally Posted by Mintha Syl

Since you're answering to my first post to make your point, please take the time to read my second one. Not too hard since it's just upon yours.

I missed your second one somehow. I see you understand the perspective being put forth.

I guess I don't care that the current way recognises a character that has been played a lot. I see that as a smaller loss than a player being unable to get it because they have multiple characters.

By keeping it character based, it keeps the "feel" of a title on a single character. By making it account based it allows a lot of people who have "earned" the same titles across all toons to actually get this title. Allowing people to get the same title for the same amount of work seems like a very fair deal to me and the loss of a single toon title feel seems like a moot point in comparison to the benefits.

Schnellburg · Jun 04, 2010, 06:09 PM // 18:09

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Originally Posted by Mintha Syl

Why people doens't understand? Really? Billion people tryin to explain it's not like that and people (like you) still hold the same misunderstandood point. Ok I give up.

What am I missing. I can do carto on 1 guy and get leg carto. I can do VQ on another guy and get leg VQ. But I can also display GWAMM on all characters. So again what am I missing? Or do you simply want to make all Koabd title ranks viewable account wide minus GWAMM??? That is an even worse idea.

Gill Halendt · Jun 04, 2010, 06:16 PM // 18:16

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Originally Posted by Mintha Syl

Why people doens't understand? Really? Billion people tryin to explain it's not like that and people (like you) still hold the same misunderstandood point. Ok I give up.

People simply DON'T read any of these explainations and skip to conclusions. Before they can even understand, they've already hit "Submit Reply".

Give up, the lack of any reading comprehension here is appalling...

Keyword: GWAMM to work like the account-wide HoM: each character has his/her own title, but if you put them together and count them you might end up with 30 different titles eventually.

Titles stay on each character, but the total count of different maxed titles for the account becomes account-wide.

So, you have a character with 30 titles already? Nothing changes for you.

You have:

- a character (A) with 28 titles
- a character (B) with LDoA
- a character (C) with LS

You were forced to do LDoA and LS on other characters as you couldn't get them with your title hunter.

28+1+1 = 30, your ACCOUNT has achieved GWAMM, You can display it just like any other account-wide title but character (A) still has his/her own 28 titles to display, character B still is the only LDoA and character (C) still is the only LS.

Schnellburg · Jun 04, 2010, 06:26 PM // 18:26

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Originally Posted by Gill Halendt

People simply DON'T read any of these explainations and skip to conclusions. Before they can even understand, they've already hit "Submit Reply".

Give up, the lack of any reading comprehension here is appalling...

Keyword: GWAMM to work like the account-wide HoM: each character has his/her own title, but if you put them together and count them you might end up with 30 different titles eventually.

Titles stay on each character, but the total count of different maxed titles for the account becomes account-wide.

So, you have a character with 30 titles already? Nothing changes for you.

You have:

- a character (A) with 28 titles
- a character (B) with LDoA
- a character (C) with LS

You were forced to do LDoA and LS on other characters as you couldn't get them with your title hunter.

28+1+1 = 30, your ACCOUNT has achieved GWAMM, You can display it just like any other account-wide title but character (A) still has his/her own 28 titles to display, character B still is the only LDoA and character (C) still is the only LS.

I understand the point that everyone is trying to make. Maybe your not. What your suggesting is free titles for characters. What fun is it creating a lvl 1 that already has GWAMM?? None.

Individual titles should stay for each character, and the titles that are account wide, all 13 of them, should stay account wide. They really provide no really boosts for game players, minus the allegiance and TH/Lucky/Wisdom titles. But that take literally forever to max. The SS/LB/EoTN titles/any other title that is out there, literally only takes a week to max if you play non-stop, heck maybe even less time then I think. If your a casual player, it takes a few months (over estimating.)

I understand the idea, but I do not want to create a lvl 1 char that can display GWAMM. That shows nothing but I have achieved it on 1 character. From your reasoning, I can achieve GWAMM without even getting past lvl 1? Or am I missing something again???

I understand if I have 28 titles, and I get 2 titles I don't already have maxed on another character, I will get GWAMM. That takes all the fun out of the game.